July 20, 2012

I want to know

I want to know what’s wrong with us as a society that we haven’t found a way to ban guns. I want to know how we can possibly not yet have come up with a good, solid plan to limit greenhouse emissions. I want to know why so few seem to care about the continent of plastic floating in the ocean. I want to know how people can possibly be stupid enough to argue that they shouldn’t have to pay for healthcare because they will never use it.

Frankly, I think the gun lobby is evidence enough that humans are too stupid to be allowed access to guns.

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  • Reply melanie July 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    The problem is make all the laws you want but someone intent on killing others is gonna find a way to get one… In my opinion gun control laws just keep law-abiding citizens from owning them

    • Reply emily July 20, 2012 at 3:48 pm

      Not if we got rid of all the guns. All of them. Every last fucking one of them. Melt ’em all down.

      • Reply Melanie July 20, 2012 at 5:39 pm

        I wish I believed that were possible

  • Reply Kevin Maness July 20, 2012 at 3:58 pm

    Love that last sentence, Emily.

    @Melanie, The first sentence in your comment (the sentence before the inexplicable ellipses) has such an appealing almost-logic to it. But it basically argues against all laws. Why make laws against child porn, crack, or drunk driving? Why make laws requiring seat belts, establishing a speed limit, or limiting the amount of poison in our food and water supply?

    Or consider the same argument on a domestic scale. Why should parents tell their children to clean their rooms, wear (clean) clothes, take showers, brush their teeth, choose friends carefully, and not eat yellow snow?

    After all, people—citizens or children—who want to do bad and/or stupid stuff are just going to do it anyway. That’s patently absurd.

    Although rules don’t guarantee good behavior, they do at least two other valuable things. For one, although some people don’t follow them, lots of people do, so rules do exert control over behavior. If the rules are good, then this control is, arguably, good as well (I’ll leave philosophical arguments about anarchy for another day). For another, they communicate the values and wisdom of the rule-maker, clarifying boundaries and norms in ways that shape individuals and cultures from one generation to the next.

    So, “they’ll just do it anyway” isn’t a sound argument against better gun control.

    • Reply Melanie July 20, 2012 at 5:49 pm

      I believe in laws, I just don’t believe you can eradicate guns. I personally do not own a weapon of any kind, save my kitchen knives, and have no desire to do so but I think the biggest issue in this story is that there are mentally ill people in this country not getting the help they need. Talk about guns all you want, but if his mother knew he was capable of such an act then we as a country failed this young man, and we are failing thousands more. I worked with a man for years who was and is a GOOD man, for over 3 years he was perfectly normal and sane, and then slowly we started noticing him becoming paranoid. First it was little things, I actually thought he was teasing, and it steadily became more serious. I will never forget after a week of failing to show up for work he showed up with duffle bags and a very dead look in his eyes…. (make fun of my ellipses all you want I suck at grammar and honestly don’t care) we were lucky in that he walked in and turned around and left, and later we found out he checked himself in for treatment. I never knew what to do, who to call or how to get him help. I never even knew what was in the duffel bags, but I later learned he had successfully managed his illness for years on medication and thought he was “over it” and unbeknownst to his family, quit taking his meds. I still to this day don’t know what I should have done differently, but we need to be educated on how to handle the mentally ill.

      • Reply emily July 20, 2012 at 6:36 pm

        I couldn’t agree more. So why do we as a species put our resources, time, and energy into manufacturing items the only purpose of which is to kill others of our species, instead of helping our most vulnerable? It’s more an existential question than a practical one.

        • Reply Melanie July 20, 2012 at 7:25 pm


      • Reply Kevin Maness July 20, 2012 at 8:51 pm

        Well, you definitely won’t get any argument from me about the deplorable state of healthcare in this country—particularly when it comes to mental health. How can we treat illnesses that we’re still so very bad at even talking about? It’s beyond me.

        (And, sorry, but compulsively commenting on punctuation is an occupational hazard. I shouldn’t have done it, here, though—I apologize.)

  • Reply Poker Chick July 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    I agree that people intent on killing will find a way to do it, but that doesn’t mean we can’t try and make it harder for them. We should be looking at the process by which this shooter obtained a gun and fixing the flaws in that…though I don’t know how easy it was for him, something tells me it was way easier than it should have been.

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